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03/05/2014 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES


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03:31:07 PM Start
03:32:01 PM SCR16
03:55:10 PM SB77
04:23:49 PM Chinook Salmon Research Initiative Overview & Update
05:13:02 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
*+ SB 77 BIG GAME HUNTING WITH CHILDREN TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 77(RES) Out of Committee
-- Public Testimony --
+ Chinook Salmon Research Initiative Overview and TELECONFERENCED
Update
Department of Fish & Game
Deputy Commissioner Kevin Brooks
Ed Jones, Chinook Initiative Coordinator
-- Invited Testimony --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
= SCR 16 REQ GOV TO INVESTIGATE COAL RESOURCES
Moved CSSCR 16(RES) Out of Committee
             SB  77-BIG GAME HUNTING WITH CHILDREN                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:55:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL  called the committee  back to order  and announced                                                               
SB 77 to be up for consideration.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:55:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE sponsor  of  SB  77 said  he  had  a couple  of                                                               
amendments and moved Amendment [1].                                                                                             
                                                 28-LS0630\A.2                                                                  
                                                      Bullard                                                                   
                                                      2/26/14                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 1                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     OFFERED IN THE SENATE              BY SENATOR MICCICHE                                                                     
     TO: SB 77                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 12, following "subsection":                                                                                   
          Insert ", except for a Sitka blacktail deer when                                                                  
         the harvest limit for the deer is one for each                                                                     
     person,"                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     CHAIR GIESSEL objected for discussion purposes.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:55:51 PM                                                                                                                    
LARRY   SIMONS,  Staff   for  Senator   Micciche,  Alaska   State                                                               
Legislature,  Juneau, Alaska,  explained that  this was  inserted                                                               
where the harvest  limit for the Sitka blacktail deer  is one for                                                               
each person. The  purpose is to encourage youth  hunting in areas                                                               
where the  limit is  one blacktail deer.  The concern  is without                                                               
this amendment that  each hunter in a youth hunt  normally has to                                                               
punch their tag,  so the adult and the youth  hunter both have to                                                               
punch their  tag. That's a  high price to  pay for a  small Sitka                                                               
blacktail  deer. The  thought here  is  to allow  just the  youth                                                               
hunter to punch their tag on a youth hunt.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:57:20 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FAIRCLOUGH asked if the sponsor supported the amendment.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  responded that he didn't  oppose the amendment.                                                               
He explained  that he is the  sponsor and Senator Kelly  is a co-                                                               
sponsor.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:58:08 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease from 3:58:08 to 3:58:57 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:58:57 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL asked if there  was further discussion on Amendment                                                               
1 (A.2).                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON said  the amendment makes sense and  asked for them                                                               
to consider adding the deer on  the Prince William Sound that are                                                               
also small.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:00:18 PM                                                                                                                    
DOUG VINCENT-LANG,  Director, Division of  Wildlife Conservation,                                                               
Department of  Fish & Game,  said the Sitka blacktail  deer issue                                                               
came  up at  a board  meeting  about a  year ago  when they  were                                                               
trying to  create a youth hunt  for deer in Prince  William Sound                                                               
outside of Cordova. One of the  main issues the public raised was                                                               
that  they didn't  want  to  go out  hunting  with  their son  or                                                               
daughter  and have  that count  against them  for a  small animal                                                               
like those  deer that are numerous.  So, in that case,  the board                                                               
exempted Sitka  blacktail deer  from the  rule. This  would allow                                                               
them to do that under this  regulation rather than doing it under                                                               
Hunting  Heritages, which  is where  they got  with that  hunt in                                                               
Cordova.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE agreed that the deer are the same species.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:01:19 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL removed her objection  and Amendment 1 [referred to                                                               
as A.2] was adopted.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:01:28 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE moved Amendment 2.                                                                                             
                                                 28-LS0630\A.3                                                                  
                                                      Bullard                                                                   
                                                      2/28/14                                                                   
                          AMENDMENT 2                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     OFFERED IN THE SENATE                  BY SENATOR MICCICHE                                                                 
     TO: SB 77                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 5:                                                                                                            
          Delete "may [SHALL]"                                                                                              
          Insert "shall"                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SIMMONS  explained that Amendment  2 [referred to as  A.3] is                                                               
to leave  the statute the  way it is  now, which reads:  "For the                                                               
purpose of encouraging adults to  take children hunting the Board                                                               
shall establish  annual hunting seasons  in appropriate  areas of                                                               
the  state..."  and  that  is  the  intent  of  the  section.  He                                                               
explained  that by  changing it  to "may"  some might  think this                                                               
gives the board  the option and the intent of  this whole section                                                               
is  to more  than just  encourage the  board, but  to in  a sense                                                               
direct the board just the way the statute does now.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON stated that he appreciated the change.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:03:07 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL,   finding  no  further  questions,   removed  her                                                               
objection and therefore Amendment 2 was adopted.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:03:22 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  commented that we  live in  a state that  has a                                                               
rich tradition of subsistence, social,  and cultural events based                                                               
on hunting, and the best way  to hand off those traditions safely                                                               
is to accompany young people on  their first hunts. He said SB 77                                                               
allows hunting training.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. SIMMONS  added that the purpose  of the bill is  to grant the                                                               
Board of  Game more  flexibility in  establishing youth  hunts by                                                               
removing some timing requirements that are  in the law now and to                                                               
allow families to harvest two  Sitka blacktail deer in situations                                                               
where otherwise they would only be able to harvest one.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:05:01 PM                                                                                                                    
PETER  PROBASCO, representing  himself,  member,  Board of  Game,                                                               
Palmer, Alaska,  said he supported  SB 77. He explained  that the                                                               
board does  strongly support youth  hunting. He  personally liked                                                               
the bill because it brings  the significance of getting youth out                                                               
into the field.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:07:03 PM                                                                                                                    
TERESA  SAGER-ALBAUGH,  representing  herself, Member,  Board  of                                                               
Game, Mentasta Pass, Alaska, said she  supported SB 77 and read a                                                               
statement that supported youth hunts  and described how the board                                                               
has been frustrated  in timing issues for  creating them annually                                                               
as  required. Changing  the annual  youth  hunt requirement  from                                                               
"shall" to "may"  is one of the key provisions  that inspired the                                                               
board's support for SB 77.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
She  said their  hunting  regulations  currently provide  special                                                               
hunts with special  seasons, bag limits, or both for  a number of                                                               
different groups, some of which  include youth, the disabled, bow                                                               
hunters, muzzle  loaders, community hunters, and  Tier 2 hunters.                                                               
She urged  them to  carefully consider the  impacts of  the board                                                               
establishing at  least one new  youth hunt in Alaska  every year.                                                               
When  coupled with  the  numerous other  special  hunts that  are                                                               
provided  to various  user  groups,  it's mathematically  certain                                                               
that at some point the harvestable  surplus of game will be fully                                                               
allocated to select classes of hunters.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
She  reminded them  that adults  have  always had  the option  of                                                               
taking children hunting under regular  seasons and bag limits and                                                               
this will  not change  regardless of SB  77's final  outcome. She                                                               
wanted to  offer the perspective  that mandatory  annual creation                                                               
of youth hunts isn't really necessary.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:09:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  responded that the  "may" portion of  this bill                                                               
does not  require the creation of  annual youth hunts and  it was                                                               
changed to  "shall". The intent of  the bill is not  to create an                                                               
expectation that there  will be game available in  areas that are                                                               
challenged with population issues.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DYSON said  he  caught the  implication  that the  board                                                               
would have to come up with a new  one every year and the law does                                                               
not require that.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. SAGER-ALBAUGH  clarified that she  intended to mean  create a                                                               
new hunt every  year. And their interpretation  was acceptable to                                                               
her.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:11:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FAIRCLOUGH asked if she  had been told that this language                                                               
mandates something that legislators are not aware of.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SAGER-ALBAUGH  answered that  it  has  been brought  to  her                                                               
attention a  number of times  by members  of the public  that the                                                               
board is  failing to comply with  the statute as it  is currently                                                               
written by not adopting youth hunts each year.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FAIRCLOUGH asked for ADF&G's opinion.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. VINCENT-LANG  noted that  the statute had  been on  the books                                                               
for many years and five or  six youth hunts have been created. It                                                               
wasn't fair  to say that  the board has  to create them,  but the                                                               
key  words  are "in  appropriate  areas"  and that  they  "shall"                                                               
consider creating them. So, in  a fully allocated hunt they might                                                               
decide that  is not  an appropriate  area for  a youth  hunt. The                                                               
board  has  a  lot  of  discretion.  The  main  issue  the  board                                                               
struggles  with  here is  the  earlier  start date  for  schools;                                                               
August is just too early to have a meaningful youth hunt.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:13:51 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL  said   he  pointed  out  the   deletion  of  some                                                               
significant language there which  they hadn't really explored and                                                               
adding  "that are  open  before  schools start  in  the fall  and                                                               
before  regular  hunting  season   begin"  made  this  much  more                                                               
flexible.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. VINCENT-LANG  replied that  ADF&G is  looking for  those hunt                                                               
opportunities to  bring to  the board,  but they  really struggle                                                               
with it especially  in the Anchorage area when most  of the moose                                                               
seasons are  in September and  October and then his  main problem                                                               
is having enough staff.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FAIRCLOUGH asked  if the  general public  misunderstands                                                               
what the  board is  supposed to  be doing and  she wondered  if a                                                               
bulletin  could  be issued  so  that  at  least there  isn't  the                                                               
anticipation of new annual hunts being created.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:15:17 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE  said nothing  in  this  language requires  the                                                               
creation  of an  annual hunt.  It says  they will  be created  in                                                               
appropriate  areas  of  the  state.  Folks  are  misunderstanding                                                               
things and  the department would  be very busy if  they addressed                                                               
them all.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:16:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. VINCENT-LANG  said his intent  was to bring  opportunities to                                                               
the board  to fulfill  their obligation  of creating  youth hunts                                                               
where possible. They  may not create any in a  given year or they                                                               
may  actually  get  rid  of some  that  are  causing  significant                                                               
allocation or conservation issues.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:16:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FAIRCLOUGH asked if there  was anything about youth hunts                                                               
on the board website.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VINCENT-LANG answered  they would  find them  in their  hunt                                                               
supplements and probably  in a specific section  on their website                                                               
about youth hunting opportunities.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Another thing  the board has  been doing is adding  a requirement                                                               
that anybody  that is able  to draw one  of these permits  has to                                                               
have hunter  education; this  would be  a nice  follow-through to                                                               
their hunter education programs.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:17:53 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FAIRCLOUGH  said if board members  are expressing concern                                                               
about being  questioned it would  be good  to clarify that  if it                                                               
didn't cost too much.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VINCENT-LANG responded  if this  passes he  would have  that                                                               
conversation with the board.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:18:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BISHOP  asked if he  visits with  his peers in  the Lower                                                               
48.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. VINCENT-LANG answered yes.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP said he understood  that the State of Pennsylvania                                                               
took the whole week off and everybody went hunting.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. VINCENT-LANG said  he had heard that; many  other states have                                                               
a law that says it's an excused absence from school.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:19:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE noted  a youth  program site  on their  website                                                               
that talks about training, leagues,  and youth conservation camps                                                               
and  at the  bottom  is a  youth  small  game hunt  -  kind of  a                                                               
different thing.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL closed public testimony.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:21:41 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DYSON moved  to  report SB  77,  version 28-LS0630\A  as                                                               
amended, from  committee to the  next committee of  referral with                                                               
individual recommendations  and attached fiscal note.  There were                                                               
no  objections and  CSSB  77(RES) was  reported  from the  Senate                                                               
Resources Standing Committee.                                                                                                   

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SCR 16 Amendment A.2.pdf SRES 3/5/2014 3:30:00 PM
SCR 16
SCR 16 Supp Document The Social Costs of Carbon.pdf SRES 3/5/2014 3:30:00 PM
SCR 16
SB 77 vs A.pdf SRES 3/5/2014 3:30:00 PM
SB 77
SB 77 Sponsor Statement.pdf SRES 3/5/2014 3:30:00 PM
SB 77
SB 77 Fiscal Note.pdf SRES 3/5/2014 3:30:00 PM
SB 77
SB 77 Supp Letter TedSpraker 20140204.pdf SRES 3/5/2014 3:30:00 PM
SB 77
SB 77 Amendment A.2.PDF SRES 3/5/2014 3:30:00 PM
SB 77
SB 77 Amendment A.3.PDF SRES 3/5/2014 3:30:00 PM
SB 77
SB 77 Supp Document Ted Spraker 20140304.PDF SRES 3/5/2014 3:30:00 PM
SB 77
SRES CSRI Overivew Presentation 20130305.pdf SRES 3/5/2014 3:30:00 PM